They discuss the size of the Security Council and the power of veto (Mahmood, 2013). According to Mahmood (2013), the reform proposes the expansion of Security from fifteen to twenty-five members with eleven permanent members and fourteen non-permanent members. Regarding the right of veto, the G-4 is in favor of the right of veto and wants the six new permanent members to benefit from all the privileges enjoyed by the P-5. Additionally, Japan and Germany wanted better representation in the United Nations because they were the second and third largest financial contributors to the United Nations budget. On a global scale, they appear as powerful states capable of intervening in crises and thus guaranteeing permanent seats on the Security Council. An example of the obsolete nature of the United Nations Charter is that Japan and Germany are still referred to as “enemy states” (Mahmood, 2013) due to the role they played in World War II. India and Brazil based their argument on the fact that they had a “large population” and a “growing economy” (Mahmood, 2013). The G4 wants permanent seats on the Security Council because its influence – economic and political – has increased significantly since the formation of the G4.